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	<title>Comments on: Specifying Form Elements</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Tranchina</title>
		<link>http://wireframes.linowski.ca/2009/01/specifying-form-elements/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Tranchina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think depending on the make up of the design and implementation teams, this type of documentation in the wireframes could be of use. Though, I think in many enterprise scenarios, this information would be captured in a technical or systems spec, leaving the wireframes to focus on and convey the choice of form elements, those items that are required/conditional, and the flow and prioritization of the data captured to allow the user to complete the task as quickly and easily as possible. 
 
In previous positions, where I&#039;ve filled the role of analyst and UI designer, there has been times I&#039;ve needed to capture this type of information in a single document. In larger teams, I rely on my data and systems folks to fill that role. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think depending on the make up of the design and implementation teams, this type of documentation in the wireframes could be of use. Though, I think in many enterprise scenarios, this information would be captured in a technical or systems spec, leaving the wireframes to focus on and convey the choice of form elements, those items that are required/conditional, and the flow and prioritization of the data captured to allow the user to complete the task as quickly and easily as possible. </p>
<p>In previous positions, where I&#039;ve filled the role of analyst and UI designer, there has been times I&#039;ve needed to capture this type of information in a single document. In larger teams, I rely on my data and systems folks to fill that role.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakub Linowski</title>
		<link>http://wireframes.linowski.ca/2009/01/specifying-form-elements/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakub Linowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;d agree with both of you that over spec-ing forms could turn out to be management hell if the document and prototype begins diverging and duplication of effort begins to show. Perhaps there is a general trend to move to prototyping away from documentation as it implies doing it once, and not duplicating the effort. With that I fully agree. Then again, there is also a desire or urge of interaction designers or IAs to think about forms and form element contents early on in the process which can be visible here in a sketch: &lt;a href=&quot;http://wireframes.linowski.ca/?p=77.&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://wireframes.linowski.ca/?p=77.&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Perhaps with this example I did not intend to say that specifying forms in such detail is a necessity. Instead, I wanted to increase some sensitivity to such things as validation, values, max lengths, default values, etc, which somewhere one way or another could be considered.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#039;d agree with both of you that over spec-ing forms could turn out to be management hell if the document and prototype begins diverging and duplication of effort begins to show. Perhaps there is a general trend to move to prototyping away from documentation as it implies doing it once, and not duplicating the effort. With that I fully agree. Then again, there is also a desire or urge of interaction designers or IAs to think about forms and form element contents early on in the process which can be visible here in a sketch: <a href="http://wireframes.linowski.ca/?p=77." target="_blank"></a><a href="http://wireframes.linowski.ca/?p=77" rel="nofollow">http://wireframes.linowski.ca/?p=77</a>. </p>
<p>Perhaps with this example I did not intend to say that specifying forms in such detail is a necessity. Instead, I wanted to increase some sensitivity to such things as validation, values, max lengths, default values, etc, which somewhere one way or another could be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakub Linowski</title>
		<link>http://wireframes.linowski.ca/2009/01/specifying-form-elements/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakub Linowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;d agree with both of you that over spec-ing forms could turn out to be management hell if the document and prototype begins diverging and duplication of effort begins to show. Perhaps there is a general trend to move to prototyping away from documentation as it implies doing it once, and not duplicating the effort. With that I fully agree. Then again, there is also a desire or urge of interaction designers or IAs to think about forms and form element contents early on in the process which can be visible here in a sketch: &lt;a href=&quot;http://wireframes.linowski.ca/?p=77.&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://wireframes.linowski.ca/?p=77.&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Perhaps with this example I did not intend to say that specifying forms in such detail is a necessity. Instead, I wanted to increase some sensitivity to such things as validation, values, max lengths, default values, etc, which somewhere one way or another could be considered.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#039;d agree with both of you that over spec-ing forms could turn out to be management hell if the document and prototype begins diverging and duplication of effort begins to show. Perhaps there is a general trend to move to prototyping away from documentation as it implies doing it once, and not duplicating the effort. With that I fully agree. Then again, there is also a desire or urge of interaction designers or IAs to think about forms and form element contents early on in the process which can be visible here in a sketch: <a href="http://wireframes.linowski.ca/?p=77." target="_blank"></a><a href="http://wireframes.linowski.ca/?p=77" rel="nofollow">http://wireframes.linowski.ca/?p=77</a>. </p>
<p>Perhaps with this example I did not intend to say that specifying forms in such detail is a necessity. Instead, I wanted to increase some sensitivity to such things as validation, values, max lengths, default values, etc, which somewhere one way or another could be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben_Still</title>
		<link>http://wireframes.linowski.ca/2009/01/specifying-form-elements/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben_Still</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree with Jason - we&#039;ve run into problems over spec-ing functional stuff in a wireframe. Do it in one spot and then you&#039;re stuck doing it everywhere :) 
 
I think a more useful thing at this stage is to document how it might behave - eg: the text &quot;includes meals and drinks&quot; appears in the field, but disappears when you click in it. 
 
We&#039;ve found things like default state, values etc are best put directly in to a prototype. Depending on the development framework, things like what&#039;s in a dropdown become less relevant as they can be sorted out in the data model (eg: in an MVC framework like Rails) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d agree with Jason &#8211; we&#039;ve run into problems over spec-ing functional stuff in a wireframe. Do it in one spot and then you&#039;re stuck doing it everywhere :) </p>
<p>I think a more useful thing at this stage is to document how it might behave &#8211; eg: the text &quot;includes meals and drinks&quot; appears in the field, but disappears when you click in it. </p>
<p>We&#039;ve found things like default state, values etc are best put directly in to a prototype. Depending on the development framework, things like what&#039;s in a dropdown become less relevant as they can be sorted out in the data model (eg: in an MVC framework like Rails)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Davey</title>
		<link>http://wireframes.linowski.ca/2009/01/specifying-form-elements/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a fine line between specifying IA elements and reiterating a functional spec in a diagram. Using an application like Axure Pro to build Flow and wireframes allows &#039;prototyping&#039; form elements such as comboboxes and publishing the effort in HTML - then the review can actually see it working! Saves on &#039;intense&#039; and sometimes arduous labelling... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a fine line between specifying IA elements and reiterating a functional spec in a diagram. Using an application like Axure Pro to build Flow and wireframes allows &#039;prototyping&#039; form elements such as comboboxes and publishing the effort in HTML &#8211; then the review can actually see it working! Saves on &#039;intense&#039; and sometimes arduous labelling&#8230;</p>
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